john mccain and lindsey graham, conservatives, said the glaciers are melting. is it due to warming notion or warming atmosphere, do we need a methane can trade system because methane is worse than carbon? some scientists said. a very controversial subject that gets heated reaction in media land. it is happening and it is happening in antarctic and greenland but how do you stop it? stuart: i don't know but i tell you this. this evidence, hard evidence will be used by the obama administration to say we have got to do something, look at hurricane sandy, we have got to do something, look at the icecaps, we have got to do something and a carbon tax will bring in money which is exactly what they want. >> he will leverage a mass delusion, connecting the dots, when you mention the hurricane we have fewer hurricanes making landfall now -- liz: the cap and trade system has a favor factory in europe which is rife with corruption. we have seen that time and again with cap and trade systems. stuart: forbes says 11 states are in a death spiral, billions in debt, no end insig